ZENO'S COFFEEHOUSE Results #12

The Twelfth Coffeehouse Challenge


Here is the problem, as presented. along with the responses. Congratulations to the winners!

NEW CHALLENGE:
Space and Time Fly

Having become somewhat familiar with puzzles from the namesake of the Coffeehouse, Maggie realized that Zeno's logic often involved calculation of infinite sequences and the like, which are occasionally mind-boggling, to say the least. One night, late at the Coffeehouse, she was challenged with the following problem, posed by another Zeno devotee:

Consider this thought-experiment. Imagine two train locomotives facing each other on a single track, two hundred miles away from each other. Both locomotives begin moving toward the other simultaneuously at fifty miles per hour, ending in a head-on cr ash. (Assume that they accelerate instantaneously to that speed.) Sitting on the front of one of the locomotives at the beginning is a lonely fly. When the two begin to move, the fly will move quickly toward the other locomotive; when it reaches it, it wi ll turn around and return to the first locomotive, then turn around again and fly back to the second; it will continue shuttling back and forth until the locomotives crash (when it will get nicely and thoroughly smashed between them). The fly flies a cons tant seventy-five miles per hour. Question: before the spectacular finale, how far will the fly travel??

Maggie's quick mind began racing, calculating limits and all that. Can the Zeno's patrons help out? How far will the fly tavel, and how did you figure it out?

For starters, I told Jamie Dreier that I would include his charming account of Von Neumann, which seemed particularly apt:

Well, the story is that someone once asked this question of John von Neumann. After a moment, von Neumann gave the correct answer. The puzzle-poser was disappointed. "Most people try to sum the infinite series," he said. Von Neumann replied, "Is there a different method?" -Jamie


Here's an example of a winning entry:
It was submitted by Jason Johns on Tuesday, April 15, 1997 at 03:23:
state: GA
city: Moody AFB
country: USA
comments: The fly will travel 150 miles. This is due to the fact that the trains will each travel 100 miles at 50 mph and crash in 2 hours, therefore if the fly travels at 75 mph in two hours it will have traveled 150 miles.

From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Wed Apr 9 05:01 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA22483 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id FAA10543; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 05:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704090901.FAA10543@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Lauri Kultti) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1052 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Lauri Kultti () on Wednesday, April 9, 1997 at 05:01:18 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: lauri.kultti@helsinki.fi city: helsinki country: FINLAND comments: The trains crash after two hours - each having travelled 100 miles. In two hours the fly - at the speed of 75m/h - travels 150 miles. So, there is your answer. On the other side, you can understand the question a little differently (as one might suspect is the case because the question itself is old familiar one). You ask how far will the fly travel. Well, at the beginning the fly is in the front of the other locomotive. At the end the fly is half way to the other locomotives starting point, tha t is 100 miles from it's (fly's) original position. So, the fly,in matter of fact, has travelled only 100 miles. The answer is 150 miles or 100 miles, depending on how you interpret the question. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Wed Apr 9 09:07 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA07971 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA10807; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 09:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704091307.JAA10807@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Mark Hartswood) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 716 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Mark Hartswood () on Wednesday, April 9, 1997 at 09:07:55 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: mjh@dcs.ed.ac.uk city: Edinburgh country: Scotland comments: The trains will collide after two hours (the time taken for each to travell 100 miles). Thus the fly would have been airborn for two hours - at seventy-five miles per hour it will travel 150 miles in this time. What infinities? BTW, its a shame neither driver could understand the warning messages given by the fly on it's desperate mercy dash between the trains. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Wed Apr 9 16:15 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07465 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA12478; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704092015.QAA12478@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Jamie Dreier) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 654 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Jamie Dreier () on Wednesday, April 9, 1997 at 16:15:17 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: James_Dreier@brown.edu state: RI city: Providence country: USA comments: The fly will travel 150 miles before it is squished. It will take 2 hours for the locomotives to reach each other. In 2 hours, a fly traveling at a constant 75mph will, of course, travel 150 miles. (I hope you tell the [probably apocryphal] John von Neumann story when you give the answer!) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Wed Apr 9 16:15 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA07499 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA12481; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704092015.QAA12481@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Jamie Dreier) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 654 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Jamie Dreier () on Wednesday, April 9, 1997 at 16:15:24 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- obody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Wed Apr 9 16:29 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA10167 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA12512; Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 1997 16:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704092029.QAA12512@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Antonio Giosue') Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 470 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Antonio Giosue' () on Wednesday, April 9, 1997 at 16:29:08 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: antrit@mbox.vol.it city: PALERMO country: ITALY comments: The two locomotives take 2 hours before crashing. A fly flying a costant 75 mph runs 150 miles in the meanwhile. It's OK? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Fri Apr 11 11:21 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA02485 for ; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA19195; Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 1997 11:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704111520.LAA19195@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (t.j. ragan) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 407 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by t.j. ragan () on Friday, April 11, 1997 at 11:20:57 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- state: fl city: tampa country: USA comments: i have another question: which train will the fly be on when the other train impacts it? --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Sun Apr 13 19:06 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA09890 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA23661; Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 1997 19:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704132306.TAA23661@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (J.D. Wegner) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 399 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by J.D. Wegner () on Sunday, April 13, 1997 at 19:06:45 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: jd@w3link.com state: NC city: Hickory country: USA comments: The fly will fly 150 miles. (Sum n=0->inf 120/5^^n) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue Apr 15 03:23 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id DAA02023 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id DAA29078; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 03:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704150723.DAA29078@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Jason Johns) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 540 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Jason Johns () on Tuesday, April 15, 1997 at 03:23:10 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- state: GA city: Moody AFB country: USA comments: The fly will travel 150 miles. This is due to the fact that the trains will each travel 100 miles at 50 mph and crash in 2 hours, therefore if the fly travels at 75 mph in two hours it will have traveled 150 miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue Apr 15 21:52 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA24407 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA02865; Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704160152.VAA02865@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Malkmus) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 601 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Malkmus () on Tuesday, April 15, 1997 at 21:52:26 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: eagleard@comcen.com.au state: Vic city: Melbourne country: Australia comments: Answer is 150 miles. The trains travel 100 miles each before crashing. As they travel at 50 miles per hour, two hours will elapse before the crash. The fly travels at a constant 75 mph; hence the fly will travel (75 mph* 2h) = 150 miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Fri Apr 18 00:33 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA01783 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA09699; Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 18 Apr 1997 00:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704180433.AAA09699@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Brian Ludwig) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 672 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Brian Ludwig () on Friday, April 18, 1997 at 00:33:21 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: ludwig@susqu.edu state: Pa city: Selinsgrove url: http://www.susqu.edu/students/l/ludwig country: USA comments: From v=d/t, the trains will travel for a total time of t=d/v = 200mi/(50mi/hr) = 4 hours. The fly flies at a speed of 75 mi/hr. >From v=d/t d=vt = (75mi/hr)*(4 hr) = 300 miles Therefore, the fly will travel 300 miles before it is crushed. No need for an infinite series. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Sun Apr 20 07:18 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA19465 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 07:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id HAA12854; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 07:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 07:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704201118.HAA12854@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Casey O'Callaghan) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 666 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Casey O'Callaghan () on Sunday, April 20, 1997 at 07:18:30 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: casey@injersey.com state: NJ city: Toms River url: http://nj5.injersey.com/~casey country: USA comments: Assuming instantaneous direction and velocity changes, the fly will travel 150 miles before being obliterated. This is because the trains will travel for two hours before crashing; since the fly is going 75mph, and will travel for two hours, he will travel 150miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Sun Apr 20 13:07 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26829 for ; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA12964; Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 1997 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704201707.NAA12964@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Alan R. Greenland) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 639 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Alan R. Greenland () on Sunday, April 20, 1997 at 13:07:37 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: alanrgreenland@hotmail.com state: IN city: Kokomo country: USA comments: With a closing speed of 100 mph (2 x 50 mph each), the trains will collide in two hours (since they begin 200 miles apart). The fly, at a constant speed of 75 mph, will cover 150 miles in that time. [The harder question is: how many times will the fly have to turn around?!] --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Mon Apr 21 23:12 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA27435 for ; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id XAA15209; Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 1997 23:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704220312.XAA15209@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Michael Patton) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 525 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Michael Patton () on Monday, April 21, 1997 at 23:12:26 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: mfpatton@mindspring.com state: AL city: Montevallo url: www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/ country: USA comments: The trains each go their half of the 200 miles in 2 hours. Then they collide. So the fly flies 150 miles, as the crow flies. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue Apr 22 01:21 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id BAA16556 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id BAA15425; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 01:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704220521.BAA15425@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Erika) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 475 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Erika () on Tuesday, April 22, 1997 at 01:21:48 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: katzkatz@netvision.net.il country: Israel comments: The fly will travel 150 miles. I takes 2 hours for the locomotives to crash and that is what the fly can do at the speed of 75 miles per hour. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue Apr 22 04:36 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id EAA00805 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id EAA15517; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 04:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704220836.EAA15517@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (nande) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 387 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by nande () on Tuesday, April 22, 1997 at 04:36:48 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: nande@pacific.net.sg country: singapore comments: four hours to collision ->300 miles fly will be knackered --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue Apr 22 07:54 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id HAA05865 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id HAA15596; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 07:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704221154.HAA15596@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Richard) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 542 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Richard () on Tuesday, April 22, 1997 at 07:54:43 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: deacon@merlin.net.au state: SA city: Adelaide country: Australia comments: Distance: an unmeasurable distance unless space can be quantized ( to the nearest Planck length? ) and if so, does space have a wave equivalent form? Time: forever ( for the fly ) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue Apr 22 18:25 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA19163 for ; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id SAA18119; Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 22 Apr 1997 18:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704222224.SAA18119@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Billy Ray Wagenseller) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 470 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Billy Ray Wagenseller () on Tuesday, April 22, 1997 at 18:24:55 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: wag@heald.edu state: CA city: San Francisco country: USA comments: 100 miles (less the infinitesimal amount of distance trains travel as the fly is "turning around quickly". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu Apr 24 15:49 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA22033 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA01054; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704241949.PAA01054@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Glenn Branch) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 863 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Glenn Branch () on Thursday, April 24, 1997 at 15:49:16 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: branch@humnet.ucla.edu state: CA city: Los Angeles country: USA comments: Enough information is given about the trains to entail that they will crash in two hours; since the fly's speed is a constant 75 m.p.h., it will travel 150 miles. There's a story, probably apocryphal, that when Johnny van Neumann was presented with this problem, he stared off into space for a few seconds, and then gave the correct answer. His interlocutor said, "Good, you saw the trick, and didn't try to sum the s eries," to which von Neumann replied, "Trick? What trick? I did sum the series." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu Apr 24 17:33 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12163 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA01681; Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 17:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199704242133.RAA01681@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Linda Sayle) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 548 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Linda Sayle () on Thursday, April 24, 1997 at 17:33:04 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: Linda@doughty.source.co.uk city: London country: England comments: It will be 2 hours before the trains crash. The fly will fly 150 miles in two hours. (you say he flies at 75 miles per hour)The number of journeys he makes between the trains is irrelevant. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Fri May 2 10:45 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10032 for ; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id KAA18559; Fri, 2 May 1997 10:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 2 May 1997 10:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705021445.KAA18559@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (David Potts) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 722 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by David Potts () on Friday, May 2, 1997 at 10:45:22 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: mfepgdp@fs1.art.man.ac.uk city: Manchester url: http://www.man.ac.uk/~mfepsdp/potts.htm country: England comments: Ans : 150 miles The fly keeps moving at 75mph until the trains crash. The trains start 200 miles apart and are moving together at a combined speed of (50+50) = 100 mph. So the trains travel for (200/100) = 2 hrs Hence the fly keeps travelling for 2 hrs. So the distance covered by the fly = (2*75) = 150 miles Poor fly :-< --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Sun May 4 13:11 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA01155 for ; Sun, 4 May 1997 13:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA21593; Sun, 4 May 1997 13:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 4 May 1997 13:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705041711.NAA21593@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Lance Fletcher) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 609 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Lance Fletcher () on Sunday, May 4, 1997 at 13:11:17 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: lance@freelance.com city: Jersey City url: http://www.freelance.com country: USA comments: 150 mi., relative to an assumed Galilean frame of reference. The locomotives are 200 mi. apart at the beginning. Distance Between them is diminishing at 100/hr. Therefore, total flight time for the fly will be 2 hrs X 75mph = 150. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Mon May 5 13:00 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA21203 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA23539; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705051700.NAA23539@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (John Long) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 697 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by John Long () on Monday, May 5, 1997 at 13:00:27 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: johnlong@udel.edu state: DE city: wilmington country: USA comments: If the question is how far away from the starting point the fly will be when it get smooshed, then regarless of how many times he changes direction the answer will be 100 miles. The point where the trains will meet and where the fly will perish will be exactly halfway between where the trains start from because they are moving at the same speed. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Mon May 5 13:19 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA26083 for ; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA23614; Mon, 5 May 1997 13:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 13:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705051719.NAA23614@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: () Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 456 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by () on Monday, May 5, 1997 at 13:19:50 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Email: johnlong@udel.edu Name: John Long Rating: Way Cool Text: I love Zeno's Coffeehouse! I'm sure I'll visit again. In the bio about Zeno, the word "impossible" is misspelled. HomePage: none --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue May 6 00:51 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA26351 for ; Tue, 6 May 1997 00:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA25419; Tue, 6 May 1997 00:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 00:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705060451.AAA25419@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Nicholas Argall) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 667 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Nicholas Argall () on Tuesday, May 6, 1997 at 00:51:34 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: 943872@swin.edu.au state: VIC city: Melbourne country: Australia comments: 75*2 = 150 miles The trains will hit each other after exactly two hours. At 75 mp/h, the fly will travel 150 miles in two hours. Alternative answer: 100 miles, because it stops travelling at the collision point, which is 100 miles from where it started. (Kindly select your frame of reference _now_.) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Wed May 7 17:11 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA12085 for ; Wed, 7 May 1997 17:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA29940; Wed, 7 May 1997 17:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 17:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705072111.RAA29940@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Johnny Ha) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 898 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Johnny Ha () on Wednesday, May 7, 1997 at 17:11:28 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: jha@stac.com state: CA city: San Diego country: USA comments: Train A is assumed to be at point 0, traveling with positive motion, right. Train B is assumed to be at point 200, traveling with negative motion, left. Acceleration is assumed to be instantaneous. Velocity is assumed to constant. Velocity of A is 50 m/h. Velocity of B is -50 m/h. Distance equation yields, A(x)=50t + 0, B(x)=-50t + 200. Examination reveals that the trains will collide in two hours. A(x) = B(x) (collision) 50t = -50t +200 t = 2 Seeing that the fly travels at 75 m/h, at a constant velocity, it will cover 150 miles in two hours. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu May 8 12:56 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA03614 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA01688; Thu, 8 May 1997 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 12:56:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705081656.MAA01688@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (james sanguinetti) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 687 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by james sanguinetti () on Thursday, May 8, 1997 at 12:56:31 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: jimsang@bu.edu state: ma city: New Bedford url: none country: USA comments: The only thing you have to know is that rate times time equals distance. The trains will crash after 2 hours because they crash halfway at 100 miles going 50 miles an hour so the total time the fly is also flying is two hours as well. Going 75 miles an hour times two hours yields a travelled distance of 150 miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu May 8 16:18 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA17331 for ; Thu, 8 May 1997 16:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id QAA02481; Thu, 8 May 1997 16:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 8 May 1997 16:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705082018.QAA02481@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Travis Welwood-Hreno) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 518 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Travis Welwood-Hreno () on Thursday, May 8, 1997 at 16:18:26 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: threno@julian.uwo.ca state: ON city: London country: CANADA comments: Too easy! The trains will collide in 2 hours. Since the fly travels at 75 mph, it will have traveled a total of 150 miles before the "spectacular finale". --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Fri May 9 11:10 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id LAA20985 for ; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA03936; Fri, 9 May 1997 11:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 9 May 1997 11:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705091510.LAA03936@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Jeremy Pierce) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 611 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Jeremy Pierce () on Friday, May 9, 1997 at 11:10:43 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: jrp@netspace.org state: RI city: Providence url: http://www.netspace.org country: USA comments: The trains will meet after 2 hours, since it will take each one 2 hours to get to the midpoint. In 2 hours, a fly moving at 75 miles per hour will have traveled 150 miles. No need for limits here - simple mechanics of motion. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Sat May 17 21:37 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA17244 for ; Sat, 17 May 1997 21:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id VAA14046; Sat, 17 May 1997 21:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705180137.VAA14046@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Robert R. Frye) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 573 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Robert R. Frye () on Saturday, May 17, 1997 at 21:37:14 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: rrfrye@aol.com state: CA city: Newark country: USA comments: The fly will travel 150 miles. At 50 mph the trains will crash in 2 hours. The fly travels constantly, at 75 mph, for those 2 hours. The description of the flies flight from train to train is an interesting distraction. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue May 20 17:45 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA22717 for ; Tue, 20 May 1997 17:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA20549; Tue, 20 May 1997 17:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 20 May 1997 17:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705202145.RAA20549@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Benjamin Joerissen) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 675 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Benjamin Joerissen () on Tuesday, May 20, 1997 at 17:45:07 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: joeriben@zedat.fu-berlin.de city: Berlin country: Germany comments: That's easy: the fly will travel 150 miles. It takes 2 hours until the trains will crash. Within this 2 hours, the fly moves constantly with a speed of 75mph. -> 2h * 75mph = 150 miles. (hey - you mean the time the fly is travelling is 8/5 + 8/25 + 8/125 + 8/625 + ... ? - but it's not the fly who creates time!) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu May 22 05:26 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id FAA10507 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 05:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id FAA24364; Thu, 22 May 1997 05:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 05:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705220926.FAA24364@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (A. Lopez Ariste) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 759 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by A. Lopez Ariste () on Thursday, May 22, 1997 at 05:26:54 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: arturo@mesopa.obspm.fr city: Paris url: http://uhuara.obspm.fr/~arturo country: France comments: 150 miles! The two locomotives take 2 hours before they crash. The fly spends 2 hours flying at a constant velocity of 75 mph, then the answer. This problem was solved in less than 10 seconds by J. von Newmann, and when he was asked if he already knew the "trick" to solve directly , he answered quite surprised: "There is something faster than to calculate the series?!" --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu May 22 09:00 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24469 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA24537; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705221300.JAA24537@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Peter Falk) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 451 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Peter Falk () on Thursday, May 22, 1997 at 09:00:37 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: darkwriter state: Mb city: Winnipeg country: Canada comments: 150 miles, as the trains will not collide for 2 hours, the fly will fly for 2 hours at 75 miles per hour --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu May 22 09:00 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA24469 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id JAA24537; Thu, 22 May 1997 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705221300.JAA24537@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Peter Falk) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 451 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Peter Falk () on Thursday, May 22, 1997 at 09:00:37 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: darkwriter state: Mb city: Winnipeg country: Canada comments: 150 miles, as the trains will not collide for 2 hours, the fly will fly for 2 hours at 75 miles per hour --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu May 22 18:30 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA04343 for ; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id SAA26768; Thu, 22 May 1997 18:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 18:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705222230.SAA26768@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Sorin Ionescu) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 407 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Sorin Ionescu () on Thursday, May 22, 1997 at 18:30:02 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: ionescu@accent.net state: PQ city: Dorval country: CANADA comments: The fly flies two hours (200/100=2) then 150 miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Fri May 23 17:49 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA02586 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 17:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id RAA29503; Fri, 23 May 1997 17:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 17:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705232149.RAA29503@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Shack Toms) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 586 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Shack Toms () on Friday, May 23, 1997 at 17:49:36 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: shack@esinet.net state: VA city: Charlottesville country: USA comments: The locomotives are closing at 100 miles per hour (each travels at 50 miles per hour). They have 200 miles to cover, that means they will crash in 2 hours. The fly travels at 75 mph, so in those 2 hours it will travel 150 miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Sun May 25 15:10 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA16130 for ; Sun, 25 May 1997 15:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id PAA01830; Sun, 25 May 1997 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 25 May 1997 15:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705251910.PAA01830@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Sean McKlusky) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 899 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Sean McKlusky () on Sunday, May 25, 1997 at 15:10:28 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: mcklusky@ix.netcom.com state: Ky city: Lexington country: USA comments: Because both trains start out simultaniously, at the same speed they should meet at the 1/2 way point. This distance would be 100 miles from either starting point. Traveling at 50mph it would take each train 2 hours to reach this point and colide... The fly, beginning his journey at the same time the trains do... would also be traveling for 2 hours at a constant rate of 75mph. Provided that when the fly (moving at 75mph) does not disintegrate when meeting a train moving in the opposite dirction at (50mph) it should cover 150miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Tue May 27 19:33 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA12232 for ; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id TAA08052; Tue, 27 May 1997 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 May 1997 19:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705272333.TAA08052@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Erich Plondke) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 523 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Erich Plondke () on Tuesday, May 27, 1997 at 19:33:14 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: ejplondk@grits.valdosta.edu state: GA city: Valdosta url: http://www.freenet.tlh.fl.us/~plonk country: USA comments: The trains move at 50 Mi/Hr. The trains meet after 2 hours. The fly moves at 75 Miles/Hour. The fly travels 150 miles. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Fri May 30 00:19 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA04648 for ; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id AAA19999; Fri, 30 May 1997 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199705300419.AAA19999@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Terence Bradshaw) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1089 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Terence Bradshaw () on Friday, May 30, 1997 at 00:19:12 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: tbradshaw@dclink.com state: DC city: Washington url: http://www.dclink.com/poohbear country: USA comments: At first I made the mistake of actually trying to figure everything, but then I remembered that this is a Zenoic problem. Thus, the answer is that the fly will fly an infinite distance. I say this because the distance and time here are constan tly decreasing. This wouldn't be a problem if the fly stayed put on one of the trains. Then he'd simply travel a hundred miles before going splat. But since he decides to be strange anf fly between the two back and forth he will constantly be travellin g a shorter distance. Eventually the reductions in distance become infinitesmal, as does the time taken, so the fly is caught in infinity. Of course, back in the real world, the fly is dead. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Mon Jun 2 13:44 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA11645 for ; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id NAA29618; Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Jun 1997 13:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706021744.NAA29618@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Ramon A. Vicioso) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 621 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Ramon A. Vicioso () on Monday, June 2, 1997 at 13:44:41 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- username: vicioso@msn.com state: Fl city: Melbourne Beach country: USA comments: 100 miles Since the "spectacular finale" occurs midway between the two train starting points and the fly is a participant in the "spectacular finale" the fly travels 100 miles. (The answer would be different if we asked the question, how far would the fly fly?) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From nobody@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu Thu Jun 5 20:53 EDT 1997 Received: from gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (gumbo [168.18.130.204]) by grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id UAA01554 for ; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from nobody@localhost) by gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id UAA04491; Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 5 Jun 1997 20:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706060053.UAA04491@gumbo.valdosta.peachnet.edu> To: rbarnett@grits.valdosta.peachnet.edu From: (Tom) Subject: Submitted Form Content-Type: text Content-Length: 324 Status: RO X-Status: Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted by Tom () on Thursday, June 5, 1997 at 20:53:44 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- state: Tx city: Houston country: USA comments: 100 miles ---------------------------------------------------------------------------